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Renly would have to come of age before he could serve in the capacity of castellan - at which time Robert may have been perfectly content with whoever he named when he took the throne. Stannis as castellan of Dragonstone I could see - some strong guy needed to keep the Narrow Sea lords in check and prevent a Targaryen return - but castellan of Storm's End could be some Stormlander buddy from Robert's youth or another experienced knight in his service. I'd not think that this is necessarily a given. While the idea that Robert should have kept the seats for his children is sound enough, the fact is that he'd then likely just award his brothers castellan status for the two seats, and they would basically be de facto rulers and so would still relatively easily leverage them in this situation to do.
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Įntire Robert reign was full of stupid decision due to his willingness to ignore serious matters regarding ruling kingdom. You are reaching with your nonsense ( or just hate towards characters). This option only tries to strengthen Stannis's position while trying to nulify Renly's, nothing more and nothing else, Renly is charismatic and ambitious, who tells you that the fact of running out of inheritance does not drive him to conspire against his brothers? Who tells you that the power of Stannis cannot generate envy and jealousy and there are lords who try to put Renly on the throne anyway? the civil war did not started with Renly, nor it ended with him. If you want to use strawmen please start your sentences with ,so what you're saying" so we can clearly identify it.īut that simply is false, that's the option that option that gives Stannis more power, but civil wars can start for a variety of reasons in a variety of contexts and by a variety of characters, Stannis having too much power is perfectly the catalist of a civil war by itself. If too many people with claims have positions of power a civil war is basically inevitable. What I said is that something like that would be the best defense against a civil war, as there would be only Stannis, who was the heir in a position of power. Did I say something like that would be fair? No. He loved the ladies too much to not produce an heir. Robert being Robert, he must have already known there would be an heir and a few spares. So what do you think, was Robert stupid in the way he gave the titles? Problem solved, now Renly can no longer start a civil war. Simple, give Stannis both and make him take Dragonstone as a primary residence. You might ask, but what should Robert do, Dragonstone is the seat of the heir apparent and SE needs to be held by a Barathen.
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And guess what this is exactly what happened.
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Renly would have a massive power base in the case of succession, unlike Stannis, and Stannis wasn't popular enough to rally the lords. But if Robert were to die without a trueborn child, such arrangement would undoubtedly lead to a civil war. So it's clear without a shadow of a doubt that Stannis was the heir apparent. I'm more referring to how smart or stupid the decision was. That dead horse has been kicked long enough. So first thing first I'm not talking about weather it was a slight against Stannis, or what Robert rights were and so on. He was given Dragonstone not as an honor but because Robert needed somebody he thought he could trust to hold Dragonstone against the Targaryens.īottom line is, Robert should have given the seats he had to give to his own children, not his ungrateful, scheming brothers. At best he was the presumptive heir while Robert hadn't gotten any children from Cersei, but even there we don't know whether Robert ever formally named or acknowledged Stannis as his heir while he didn't have any children yet. They also didn't deserve any seats on the council considering that neither was a particularly gifted individual, especially not Renly.Īnd Stannis was never the Heir Apparent to the Iron Throne. Renly is no worse a traitor than Stannis considering Stannis has no proof about the twincest and was willing to murder his sister-in-law and his nephews and niece over an issue that was clearly not the children's fault. They were both not deserving of such high honors nor were they particularly trustworthy. Robert shouldn't have given either Stannis or Renly anything.